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#261

I'm all for AltNemo and promoting development of NEM ecosystem but my concern is: why should only AltNemo have such a big part?
I really hope other companies will came later and we will not be able to finance them in the same way... this is unfair.

I prefer a big development fund, managed by a committee via a multisignature account.
AltNemo will obviously get a part of it.


The community fund is for funding project. AltNemo is not asking for a "big part" because most of the big part goes to the coin that goes back to the community.

AltNemo is asking only for a small portion. THere is misconception here. THe end result is that AltNemo is probably getting 30NS. I am not sure how big is big here.
#262

I'm all for AltNemo and promoting development of NEM ecosystem but my concern is: why should only AltNemo have such a big part?
I really hope other companies will came later and we will not be able to finance them in the same way... this is unfair.

I prefer a big development fund, managed by a committee via a multisignature account.
AltNemo will obviously get a part of it.


Because only AltNemo is selling silver NEM coins from the Perth Mint?

Others have had the opportunity all along, but no one is doing anything so far. AltNemo is also going to sell the coins almost at cost, making only a small amount to be used to get started.
#263


I'm all for AltNemo and promoting development of NEM ecosystem but my concern is: why should only AltNemo have such a big part?
I really hope other companies will came later and we will not be able to finance them in the same way... this is unfair.

I prefer a big development fund, managed by a committee via a multisignature account.
AltNemo will obviously get a part of it.


The community fund is for funding project. AltNemo is not asking for a "big part" because most of the big part goes to the coin that goes back to the community.

AltNemo is asking only for a small portion. THere is misconception here. THe end result is that AltNemo is probably getting 30NS. I am not sure how big is big here.


IMHO it doesn't make big difference.
We would be giving AltNemo a special treatment we will not  be able to give someone else in future.
I see this as a big problem.
#264



I'm all for AltNemo and promoting development of NEM ecosystem but my concern is: why should only AltNemo have such a big part?
I really hope other companies will came later and we will not be able to finance them in the same way... this is unfair.

I prefer a big development fund, managed by a committee via a multisignature account.
AltNemo will obviously get a part of it.


The community fund is for funding project. AltNemo is not asking for a "big part" because most of the big part goes to the coin that goes back to the community.

AltNemo is asking only for a small portion. THere is misconception here. THe end result is that AltNemo is probably getting 30NS. I am not sure how big is big here.


IMHO it doesn't make big difference.
We would be giving AltNemo a special treatment we will not  be able to give someone else in future.
I see this as a big problem.


More like giving ourselves each a silver coin that we are not able to give someone else in future.

So my question was is 30NS to big to give away?
#265


and yes, i take care of my investment and want the (in my opinion) best for it. this goes hand in hand with the best for nem in this case.


It won't happen that way. So, don't make statements that you care about NEM
#266

ignorant and aggresive rockethead… every person with an opinion which is not congruent to your is an enemy? i stop this here for me…

#267

I'm all for AltNemo and promoting development of NEM ecosystem but my concern is: why should only AltNemo have such a big part?
I really hope other companies will came later and we will not be able to finance them in the same way... this is unfair.
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This is one good point.

Another question is, if everyone wants the silver coin - if they want NEMcoins instead.
What are the expenses of silver coin and its posting ?

And the third: to get silver coins the NEMcoins are sold in a controlled way. If it is ensured that such selling is not causing the course diving, then the selling may take quite a long time - it is not known...    and while the sell process is going on, there will be questions "who has the puppet stakes?"  etc etc.

#268

The fund is a really bad idea.

You know that most investment funds don

#269



I'm all for AltNemo and promoting development of NEM ecosystem but my concern is: why should only AltNemo have such a big part?
I really hope other companies will came later and we will not be able to finance them in the same way... this is unfair.

I prefer a big development fund, managed by a committee via a multisignature account.
AltNemo will obviously get a part of it.


The community fund is for funding project. AltNemo is not asking for a "big part" because most of the big part goes to the coin that goes back to the community.

AltNemo is asking only for a small portion. THere is misconception here. THe end result is that AltNemo is probably getting 30NS. I am not sure how big is big here.


IMHO it doesn't make big difference.
We would be giving AltNemo a special treatment we will not  be able to give someone else in future.
I see this as a big problem.


It is buying a silver coin and giving to everyone. It would be the same as buying anything and giving it to someone. So please just forget about AltNemo for a minute and think about whether you would want to have 0.1 NEMstake worth of a NEM silver coin that will probably be worth a lot more in the future, or 0.05 NEMstake worth of NEM.
#270

The fund is a really bad idea.

You know that most investment funds don
#271

It is buying a silver coin and giving to everyone. It would be the same as buying anything and giving it to someone. So please just forget about AltNemo for a minute and think about whether you would want to have 0.1 NEMstake worth of a NEM silver coin that will probably be worth a lot more in the future, or 0.05 NEMstake worth of NEM.


That should be an individual decision.

I'm against buying something for someone who didn't ask for it.
#272


It is buying a silver coin and giving to everyone. It would be the same as buying anything and giving it to someone. So please just forget about AltNemo for a minute and think about whether you would want to have 0.1 NEMstake worth of a NEM silver coin that will probably be worth a lot more in the future, or 0.05 NEMstake worth of NEM.


That should be an individual decision.

I'm against buying something for someone who didn't ask for it.


Okay, let's put it up to a vote. Options are buying a coin and giving to everyone or giving people nothing and putting it all in a community fund instead. I'll create a separate thread.
#273

Poll added: https://forum.ournem.com/index.php?topic=2667.0

#274


because burning is transparent and fair. i am also fine to give all (unclamed and sock stakes) to the nodes over the next years (which is maybe the best idea because this really helps the network).

but a fund or silver tokens and something like that are untransparent and will be the end. how do you want to buy the silver? by dumping stakes? sorry, that is nothing which will support nem...


If you read the previous pages, you would already know these answers.

To summarize here:

- silver will be bought by selling in a controlled way on the market
- buying the coins will jumpstart AltNemo and push the NEM ecosystem into gear, while benefiting all the stakeholders


It's not that some of us here don't trust you but once we talk about devs holding large shares of unclaimed stakes we get into the realm of Ripple Labs and some other projects where it doesnt matter who trusts or not, someone will put a post to btctalk saying 'PREMINE SCAM and coin value will drop like a stone on the market. How many coins died these last few months from devs holding amounts of coins, it doesn't matter if devs meant well or not, once damage is done and coin delistd projects easily fail. best thing to do is distribute to original stakeholders and offer the option to purchase silver or to donate. I will offer mine back to the project. But elite hodling stakes will kill rep.
#275

Poll added: https://forum.ournem.com/index.php?topic=2667.0


But since you don't give the option of simply distributing the unclaimed stakes amongst nemsters i will take the silver coin lol.
#276



I suggest if you want any UK exposure, it would make more sense to appeal to influential people who don't have a left wing bias/agenda and who are fully aware of the federal reserve and the current state of the economy as a result of it.

As i've said before in other threads; people often use the current monetary crisis to peddle a political agenda, and right now (despite most of the british public being unaware of it) there is a marxist agenda at work on our nation that I know the EU has some involvement in. After all, make countries "fail" economically just so they move to your "euro" project = profit. Seeing as many in the EU parliament have some connection to marxism and communism, it's as clear as day what is going on.

I would be extremely careful who you associate yourself with in this environment, because the very people who are aware (and likely against) whats going on are also probably going to be the main users who use NEM. What i'm saying here is pretty much echo'ing what i said in an earlier thread:

https://forum.ournem.com/index.php?topic=2617.msg8224#msg8224


Agree totally bro, glad you understand the current political situation, very few of us do. The problem with Britain is that the opposition, aside from very small think tanks are completely coopted. At least in the states there seems to be some groups that understand the situation.

Where I would disagree somewhat is on the EU, I used to be against them, but I now feel that the British government is so rotten to the core that it is actually only parameters imposed by Europe that is saving us from their utter insanity. God help us if we ever leave and they get full control. I guess that was part of the plan to make us feel that way, so i suppose i have given in to their plan by saying so, but the project has gone so far ahead now and britain is so corrupted I feel there's little choice.


I'm glad you agree - it certainly is quite sad that people are so burdened by a left-wing outlook, it makes them blind to whats going on in front of our noses.

In many respects i think you're right regarding the EU - we have gone downhill so far, it's likely the legislation from the EU that's keeping things afloat. But all considered - this was premeditated, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjC6UhAM16Y]just as the uprising in the Ukraine was. Cause division and unrest amongst the people, then swoop in and show them a "solution" (ie: "It's ok people, follow our rules, and you'll be just fine..") -- Divide and conquer.

I know this sounds tin-foil hat, but this is exactly how the EU is expanding it's influence, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RjUJy7kDOM]and it will do it at any cost, and at anyones expense. The EU will never get my support. There are true liberals who are against this very thing (Nigel Farage - UK, Ron Paul - USA) - they are not the extreme left that you or I have such negative experiences with.

But back on topic; this is why sound money is so important, because when the lifeblood of a nation becomes tainted, so does that country, and thats precisely whats happened in the UK (and in the States). This is why crypto's exist ;)


Thanks, there should be a politics or ideology section of the forum so we dont end up hijacking threads with this stuff. I like farage in general but what worries me about him is he is likely to jump into bed with big business and at the end of the day business tends also to trend to the left surprisingly. While farage can pave the way for the expression of out of the box ideas i feel there really needs to be a new kind of awakening in the world before we see true change. But i wont critisise him too much in the interim because our backs are against the wall. Same with my feelings about the EU it is borne out of lack of options, like when napoleon had to ditch his cannons in moscow :)

If you are interested in why i feel the way i do about the EU then this guy from the libertarian alliance puts it much better than I can. It's a lengthy speech but well worth a listen, as are most of his. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWNn8g-V6tI
#277




I suggest if you want any UK exposure, it would make more sense to appeal to influential people who don't have a left wing bias/agenda and who are fully aware of the federal reserve and the current state of the economy as a result of it.

As i've said before in other threads; people often use the current monetary crisis to peddle a political agenda, and right now (despite most of the british public being unaware of it) there is a marxist agenda at work on our nation that I know the EU has some involvement in. After all, make countries "fail" economically just so they move to your "euro" project = profit. Seeing as many in the EU parliament have some connection to marxism and communism, it's as clear as day what is going on.

I would be extremely careful who you associate yourself with in this environment, because the very people who are aware (and likely against) whats going on are also probably going to be the main users who use NEM. What i'm saying here is pretty much echo'ing what i said in an earlier thread:

https://forum.ournem.com/index.php?topic=2617.msg8224#msg8224


Agree totally bro, glad you understand the current political situation, very few of us do. The problem with Britain is that the opposition, aside from very small think tanks are completely coopted. At least in the states there seems to be some groups that understand the situation.

Where I would disagree somewhat is on the EU, I used to be against them, but I now feel that the British government is so rotten to the core that it is actually only parameters imposed by Europe that is saving us from their utter insanity. God help us if we ever leave and they get full control. I guess that was part of the plan to make us feel that way, so i suppose i have given in to their plan by saying so, but the project has gone so far ahead now and britain is so corrupted I feel there's little choice.


I'm glad you agree - it certainly is quite sad that people are so burdened by a left-wing outlook, it makes them blind to whats going on in front of our noses.

In many respects i think you're right regarding the EU - we have gone downhill so far, it's likely the legislation from the EU that's keeping things afloat. But all considered - this was premeditated, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjC6UhAM16Y]just as the uprising in the Ukraine was. Cause division and unrest amongst the people, then swoop in and show them a "solution" (ie: "It's ok people, follow our rules, and you'll be just fine..") -- Divide and conquer.

I know this sounds tin-foil hat, but this is exactly how the EU is expanding it's influence, and it will do it at any cost, and at anyones expense. The EU will never get my support. There are true liberals who are against this very thing (Nigel Farage - UK, Ron Paul - USA) - they are not the extreme left that you or I have such negative experiences with.

But back on topic; this is why sound money is so important, because when the lifeblood of a nation becomes tainted, so does that country, and thats precisely whats happened in the UK (and in the States). This is why crypto's exist ;)


While you guys are at it, you may want to read this which is out of sync with our topic of discussion, but nevertheless, should be read - reflecting the sad state of affairs we are in.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-9-billion-witness-20141106


Thanks it is an interesting article. i find it hard to believe that 'there was nothing shady' about the securities business in the early 2000s when she started though.
#278


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-9-billion-witness-20141106



Great article.  In the midst of tinfoil-hat UKIPers slagging Brand off, a perfect example of the very thing he is highlighting.

Social conditioning means you are supposed to hate Russell Brand.  The status quo must be maintained.  Your masters have it all worked out for you.


Russel brand is the status quo. You sound politically illiterate. The very thing he is 'highlighting' for you I have known for decades. If brand is your primary source of information you have a long way to travel on your quest for knowledge. The things brand talks about is surface waffle that is utterly mainstream, he talks about them precisely because it is fashionable to do so and he can make some money out of it. No other reason. I hope you can expand your knowledge by studying some real western thinkers.
#279



because burning is transparent and fair. i am also fine to give all (unclamed and sock stakes) to the nodes over the next years (which is maybe the best idea because this really helps the network).

but a fund or silver tokens and something like that are untransparent and will be the end. how do you want to buy the silver? by dumping stakes? sorry, that is nothing which will support nem...


If you read the previous pages, you would already know these answers.

To summarize here:

- silver will be bought by selling in a controlled way on the market
- buying the coins will jumpstart AltNemo and push the NEM ecosystem into gear, while benefiting all the stakeholders


It's not that some of us here don't trust you but once we talk about devs holding large shares of unclaimed stakes we get into the realm of Ripple Labs and some other projects where it doesnt matter who trusts or not, someone will put a post to btctalk saying 'PREMINE SCAM and coin value will drop like a stone on the market. How many coins died these last few months from devs holding amounts of coins, it doesn't matter if devs meant well or not, once damage is done and coin delistd projects easily fail. best thing to do is distribute to original stakeholders and offer the option to purchase silver or to donate. I will offer mine back to the project. But elite hodling stakes will kill rep.


I agree that the dev team shouldn't hold much of the coin. That is why the unclaimed stakes should be put into a community fund that is managed by everyone. Regarding this, I have some ideas that I will write up once I get the time.