Hi everybody,
Launch is today and the father of my boyfriend and me are wrongly accused of being sock puppets.
I've put a post online here a few hours ago, because I've got a message from Makoto
where he tells me I'm only getting my stake after launch (if it's decided that I'm not a sock puppet).
I think this is outrageous, being an early adopter of NEM and ignoring my messages until a day before launch.
Now if that wasn't bad enough, my post is deleted.
If I wasn't agitated, I'm really now. Censuring my post on the day of launch will be in your favor,
but this is not the way to handle your investors.
I will post this on BTT as-well, because I'm afraid the dev's here will delete it. I will make a print screen as proof
I've posted this here, so it would be bad publicity deleting this too.
We've suggested sending our ID's, which is not normal, but as we understand why the sock puppets had
to be deleted we are wiling to prove my identity.
Apologies won't work for me, not after deleting my post. I sure hope you will handle this the right way
and remove me from the sock puppet list, as well as my boyfriends father.
Launch is today and we are part of the genesis block as-well as any other here.
Sincerely,
Kiki Olsthoorn
So how many threads are you going to open about this ?
Noone will ever delete legit posts. Have you ever seen anyone doing that ? Your other thread has been moved not deleted.
Do you think this kind of behaviour will motivate makoto to process your appear any faster. "Oh sure, they are on a tantrum…that deserves faster handling that anyone else."
I will only take this post, as-well as the one on BTT, offline if something is done about this.
Where is my post moved to then and why?
I was very patient patmast3r, your message doesn't make this any better.
You don't even answer to the thing I'm actually posting about.
Makoto could've reacted earlier and not the way that he reacted now,
I've been very subtle and patient, as you requested.
Only the answer given is not the answer I expected.
A: "Sorry, but you'll get it after launch, if it's decided that you'll get your stake back",
doesn't quite cut it. How would you react to such thing?
I understand you had a lot of shit the last year with all the work, but as a honest investor
this isn't the way that I should be treated.
I don't know who deleted the other thread, but it wasn't me.
I already replied via PM, so like I said, please wait until we process your appeal. You aren't the only one.
Patmast3r says it was moved, but I can't find it on the forum, so now I'm sure it was deleted.
I invested in this and now I'm being set aside for
after launch, that doesn't cut it guys.
Others will have to fight for their right, like I'm doing now as-well.
You understand that I'm not taking this for an answer right, what would you have done?
Unless there was a third thread that someone actually deleted then the post is here [url=https://forum.ournem.com/newcomers-help/outrageous/]https://forum.ournem.com/newcomers-help/outrageous/.
Amy rightfully moved it there because it's not news or an alert.
Listen. You get the same amount of XEM as everyone else. Due to your inactivity and suspicious redemption data you we're marked as sockpuppet. You're being treated like anyone else. You have given us no reason to trust you in the last year so we're taking precautions. Blame us all you want but it is out of regard for our investors that we're being cautious about it and take appeals seriously.
It just takes time and you will have to accept that. Makoto apologized multiple times now. You won't get anywhere with acting out.
It is now impossible - you get that ? IMPOSSIBLE - to do anything about your appeal because the mainnet is already running and NEMESIS has been created. We are technically already post-launch.
PS: If we wanted your post down and though it should be down it would be down.
@amy: can we move this thread too?
So not reacting first and then let me know a day before launch that it is impossible is a fair reason for you?
That I'm being treated like everybody else, I'm sure that's the case.
Not giving you reason to be trusted? Excuse me? Now your telling me that I haven't been trustworthy to you?
I've been following NEM from the beginning, doing every step, from my own account.
Was there a way to make you trust me more then that then. Acting out is the only thing I have,
since you gave me no other option. First your telling me to be patient and now your saying I have to wait
after launch? You could've said that before, but you didn't.
This topic shouldn't be in the Newcomers/help category, it should be where I've posted it, as an alert and
news, because you never put anywhere online that the accounts that were put on the list for sock puppets
were being handled after launch.
Your topic about the sock puppets was made in exactly the same category, so this is as much news as that was.
So if I understand you don't agree with speaking out? How would you feel if this happened to you?
I don't want to sound rude, but seriously kiki:
Everyone, who made a sockpuppet, can say after, that it was actually made by his father or girlfriend…
I would also like to have one stake for my girlfriend and my mother and my sister and so on.
Surely, they also would like to have the money now. But they would have been too lazy to do it as it was the time for it. If I would have done it for them for them, its just a sockpuppet! That's why I didn't. Because its unfair. Instead I bought another stake on AE. That's fairness.
My girlfriend and a friend of mine even have an account here, but they registered to late. So what? If they are really interested in NEM, they can still buy it on an exchange. It will probably raise further.
And "early adapters" with not having any posts on the forum, are not really part of the community…
Someone is coming out of the blue, not having interest in anything like BTC or other alts and then suddenly apply for nem and be an "early adapter".
Thats highly suspicious…
So be at least patient. You can be lucky, if makoto is considering your request again in 1-2 weeks.
Sorry, I didn't even want to leave a "MOVED" post on the News and Alerts forum because I thought it would clutter things, especially since I assume there will be more actual news and alerts in the coming hours upon launch.
So not reacting first and then let me know a day before launch that it is impossible is a fair reason for you?
That I'm being treated like everybody else, I'm sure that's the case.
It's not 100% fair no. But there's nothing we can do and you need to understand that.
Not giving you reason to be trusted? Excuse me? Now your telling me that I haven't been trustworthy to you?
I've been following NEM from the beginning, doing every step, from my own account.
Was there a way to make you trust me more then that then.
Yes. You could have shown even the least bit of interest or activity. That would have been a reason to trust you. How does following steps make you trustworthy ? Every scammer and sockpuppet will follow those steps as well.
Acting out is the only thing I have,
since you gave me no other option. First your telling me to be patient and now your saying I have to wait
after launch? You could've said that before, but you didn't.
We didn't know the appeal process was gonna take this long. I agree that we prob should have seen it earlier though.
This topic shouldn't be in the Newcomers/help category, it should be where I've posted it, as an alert and
news, because you never put anywhere online that the accounts that were put on the list for sock puppets
were being handled after launch.
Your topic about the sock puppets was made in exactly the same category, so this is as much news as that was.
No. My topic was news about there being another sock audit and what the process for appeal is going to look like.
You post is asking for help with said process.
So if I understand you don't agree with speaking out? How would you feel if this happened to you?
Speaking out != acting out.
I don't know how I'd feel because it didn't happen to me but I'm sure at some point I'd probably undestand that I will get the exact same amount of XEM just a little later and I'd have to accept that.
Does it suck that legit people have to wait ? Sure
Is there anything we can do about it ? No
Was it necessary to do it the way it was done ? Yes. Allthough I agree that communication could have been better.
I don't want to sound rude, but seriously kiki:
Everyone, who made a sockpuppet, can say after, that it was actually made by his father or girlfriend...
I would also like to have one stake for my girlfriend and my mother and my sister and so on.
Surely, they also would like to have the money now. But they would have been too lazy to do it as it was the time for it. If I would have done it for them for them, its just a sockpuppet! That's why I didn't. Because its unfair. Instead I bought another stake on AE. That's fairness.
My girlfriend and a friend of mine even have an account here, but they registered to late. So what? If they are really interested in NEM, they can still buy it on an exchange. It will probably raise further.
And "early adapters" with not having any posts on the forum, are not really part of the community...
Someone is coming out of the blue, not having interest in anything like BTC or other alts and then suddenly apply for nem and be an "early adapter".
Thats highly suspicious...
So be at least patient. You can be lucky, if makoto is considering your request again in 1-2 weeks.
Yes, you are being rude actually. It's the same as on Facebook, some people like the shit out of it everyday, some people just read. Silent observer as I would like to call myself.
Then again, I wasn't that silent. I checked all posts and updates regurarly and I even tested the test client to help out,
so I was active and I am part of this community. So was his father.
You may have a 'lazy mother and sister', but me and my boyfriends father are active members, we've had contact through private messages since the beginning of NEM, I'm almost sure to bet it's earlier then yourself.
Your post doesn't add anything positive to this situation.
Being patient didn't mean after launch in my ears. Telling me to be patient and then tell me it's after launch a day before the launch itself and saying it's impossible to do something about it, that's just keeping someone is suspense.
So not reacting first and then let me know a day before launch that it is impossible is a fair reason for you?
That I'm being treated like everybody else, I'm sure that's the case.
It's not 100% fair no. But there's nothing we can do and you need to understand that.
There was something you could do about this and that's communicating about this. You guys are communicating
every little single bit, if somebody misses something, they're out. But now there's nothing else you can do,
because you postponed communicating about this, to keep it a day before launch.
I didn't/don't want to dump, I want to harvest and that's out of the question now as-well..
Not giving you reason to be trusted? Excuse me? Now your telling me that I haven't been trustworthy to you?
I've been following NEM from the beginning, doing every step, from my own account.
Was there a way to make you trust me more then that then.
Yes. You could have shown even the least bit of interest or activity. That would have been a reason to trust you. How does following steps make you trustworthy ? Every scammer and sockpuppet will follow those steps as well.
Read my answer towards lordoliver, I did have activity. I'm not some moran who's posting: "To the moon" in every topic.
Acting out is the only thing I have,
since you gave me no other option. First your telling me to be patient and now your saying I have to wait
after launch? You could've said that before, but you didn't.
We didn't know the appeal process was gonna take this long. I agree that we prob should have seen it earlier though.
Glad we are agreeing on that.
This topic shouldn't be in the Newcomers/help category, it should be where I've posted it, as an alert and
news, because you never put anywhere online that the accounts that were put on the list for sock puppets
were being handled after launch.
Your topic about the sock puppets was made in exactly the same category, so this is as much news as that was.
No. My topic was news about there being another sock audit and what the process for appeal is going to look like.
You post is asking for help with said process.
Well that wasn't all information you gave about the process, not gonna go there again, I think you might catch my drift.
So if I understand you don't agree with speaking out? How would you feel if this happened to you?
Speaking out != acting out.
I don't know how I'd feel because it didn't happen to me but I'm sure at some point I'd probably undestand that I will get the exact same amount of XEM just a little later and I'd have to accept that.
Does it suck that legit people have to wait ? Sure
Is there anything we can do about it ? No
Was it necessary to do it the way it was done ? Yes. Allthough I agree that communication could have been better.
There's nothing else I can do now is there, since you said it's impossible to do something about this right now.
Like I said, you didn't give me an option and I think the way this is treated is absolutely unfair.
It wasn't necessary to do it this way, if you could've taken out the sock puppets then you should've handled the
wrongly accused ones before launch.
Glad we are agreeing on the communication part, but that doesn't quite help the situation.
Yes, you are being rude actually. It's the same as on Facebook, some people like the shit out of it everyday, some people just read. Silent observer as I would like to call myself.
Then again, I wasn't that silent. I checked all posts and updates regurarly and I even tested the test client to help out,
so I was active and I am part of this community. So was his father.
You may have a 'lazy mother and sister', but me and my boyfriends father are active members, we've had contact through private messages since the beginning of NEM, I'm almost sure to bet it's earlier then yourself.
Your post doesn't add anything positive to this situation.
Being patient didn't mean after launch in my ears. Telling me to be patient and then tell me it's after launch a day before the launch itself and saying it's impossible to do something about it, that's just keeping someone is suspense.
If you are really interested in NEM, you don't care, WHEN you actually get your nem, because you want to keep them anyway longer.
So are you? Then calm down. Otherwise everyone will think you only want to dump a sock stake...
And don't tell us, that you are an so "active" member. This is the internet.
http://web.archive.org/web/20140520122252/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=232474
Date Registered: January 29, 2014, 02:59:16 AM
Last Active: January 29, 2014, 03:19:02 AM
So you were actually registering and then online for not even 20 minutes.
You registered only because you wanted to have the nem stake 10 days after announcement. And you didn't do anything (like sending pm) with your account for at least 4 months (probably only because there is no later snapshot on this page).
Shall I search further?
Yes, you are being rude actually. It's the same as on Facebook, some people like the shit out of it everyday, some people just read. Silent observer as I would like to call myself.
Then again, I wasn't that silent. I checked all posts and updates regurarly and I even tested the test client to help out,
so I was active and I am part of this community. So was his father.
You may have a 'lazy mother and sister', but me and my boyfriends father are active members, we've had contact through private messages since the beginning of NEM, I'm almost sure to bet it's earlier then yourself.
Your post doesn't add anything positive to this situation.
Being patient didn't mean after launch in my ears. Telling me to be patient and then tell me it's after launch a day before the launch itself and saying it's impossible to do something about it, that's just keeping someone is suspense.
If you are really interested in NEM, you don't care, WHEN you actually get your nem, because you want to keep them anyway longer.
So are you? Then calm down. Otherwise everyone will think you only want to dump a sock stake...
And don't tell us, that you are an so "active" member. This is the internet.
http://web.archive.org/web/20140520122252/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=232474
Date Registered: January 29, 2014, 02:59:16 AM
Last Active: January 29, 2014, 03:19:02 AM
So you were actually registering and then online for not even 20 minutes.
You registered only because you wanted to have the nem stake 10 days after announcement. And you didn't do anything (like sending pm) with your account for at least 4 months (probably only because there is no later snapshot on this page).
Shall I search further?
That's funny, as I am online as we speak. Which I was a lot for the last couple of weeks.
Like I said, being an active member doesn't mean you have to post a lot of bs.
I moved to the forum.ournem.com when that started. Because of the several threads that
we're made on BTT things got disordered.
I am an investor in cryptocoins, like BTC / Ripple / NXT / QRK (for a while but then I got out of there just in time)
and a lot of other coins. Besides that I have a lot of other work to do, so in my free time I like to read
on the forums and keep track of NEM.
Why should I be sending a PM to anyone if my only interest is NEM? For your information
I've send several PM's in the last couple of months. Kodtycoon, patmast3r and makoto can confirm this.
October 10, 2014, 05:26:58 PM Re: NEM Token patmast3r
November 05, 2014, 11:27:28 PM Re: (No subject) kodtycoon
March 24, 2015, 03:13:44 AM sockpuppet makoto18
March 26, 2015, 04:42:36 AM (No subject) patmast3r
March 26, 2015, 07:32:20 AM Re: (No subject) patmast3r
March 26, 2015, 07:57:22 AM (No subject) makoto1337
I'm only sending this because I'm being transparent, I'm glad they can confirm this for me.
Wrongly accused again.
Got something else to wrongly accuse me for?
There is no wrong accusation. The only thing I said, is that you were actually NOT active BTT member the first months. Thats proven. Not just accusations.
And of course you sent messages the last months. Its about the token and being accused to be a sockpuppet…
That is not considered to be active…
There is no wrong accusation. The only thing I said, is that you were actually NOT active BTT member the first months. Thats proven. Not just accusations.
And of course you sent messages the last months. Its about the token and being accused to be a sockpuppet...
That is not considered to be active...
If active means, posting then your right. I think active means getting involved. Getting involved also meant testing the beta client. Not random posting no, that's not my style. I'm not a computer wizard like most of the people here on the forum. I'm here for the investment and for NEM.
Ah ok. You were testing the beta version in the time, i mentioned. Me culpa then 