Delegated Harvesting Invalid Node

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#8

Yes, it is true that you will get an importance ranking. And, the higher your importance, the higher your chances of harvesting.

I have not seen any of the statistics that you are talking about for NEM or XYM.

These statistics are available for the Cardano (ADA) Blockchain, but I have not seen them for NEM or XYM nodes. They are probably available, and I suspect that you’d need to be at the expert level of understanding and programing of the blockchain to figure it out.

I am not at that level. I am sorry I can’t be of more help.

#9

Well 12 XYM is too much to attach your node. I paid around 3 XYM for switching to another node which is also too much of course.
But I also haven’t hit a block until now and I’m harvesting for around 3 weeks. I have around 20k XYM btw and I guess that’s just not enough to hit a block regularly.

And you got something wrong regarding Importance. It’s not the Importance number of the node but your own Importance number that determines your possibility of hitting a block.

#10

I do agree with you that harvesting is a bit complicated for XYM but that’s not the case for XEM. I harvest XEM for almost 4 years and it works without any problem. You also don’t have to pay any fees to switch to another node on XEM. So no need to replicate the system of Cardano, PoI is unique and has worked well for years now.

And of course you can see harvesting statistics for XYM without being on expert level, it’s all there on the explorer. Just click on the address of the node under Node Detail and there you can see all the harvested blocks from this particular node.

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#11

Thanks for the facts. I have several questions through here if you have answers. Where are you getting Node Detail (so I can see stats on explorer)? My new current node is: symbol-node-01.kokichi.tokyo from the wallet drop-down, but it does NOT appear in the list on the network explorer. Also, any address or URL I find about the node, in the wallet, when I paste it into search, it is not found on the explorer.

As for fees, I just switched to another node and it cost me 6 XYM to stop the prior node and 13 XYM to initiate harvest on another node. It’s just not right. Does the node set the fee? I am basing this on my balance going down in the wallet each time. The second node got a green light right away but I am not sure how long I should to wait to expect results?

#12

In the meantime, there are many nodes online. So you have to go to the next page to find your node in the search.1000 nodes per page.

" Search for nodes in Explorer. · Issue #876 · nemgrouplimited/symbol-explorer · GitHub "

http://symbol-node-01.kokichi.tokyo:3000/chain/info
http://symbol-node-01.kokichi.tokyo:3000/node/info

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#13

I agree with you.

I am mostly concerned with the way the information is presented and how easily accessible it is to all users. I am an big fan of how the programmers of the Daedalus Cardano Wallet neatly organized the Harvesting process into a Delegation Page with tabs for Delegation, Stake Pools, and Rewards. The process is very, very clear and easy to follow and understand.

That is what I was referring to when I said that you need to be at an expert level user.

Information can be easily understood when it is presented correctly. The objective is always to drive adoption. And the easier that we make that process, the better.

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#14

You mentioned waiting 3 weeks and not hitting a block using 20k XYM. Did you eventually get a block reword? I’ve seen nothing from this second node I connected to. Does the latest wallet show you the fees before your approve? The last one did not. And my paying about 12 total XYM fees both times was unexpected.

#15

Yes. Latest wallet shows fees (previous one showed too on popup :wink: )

#16

No, still no block reward. Like I wrote in my earlier post that’s just not enough to hit a block regularly, only big players are hitting blocks regularly.
I don’t really like this and there are better solutions to distribute block rewards more fairly on other coins. So you definitely need a lot of luck to hit a block with a lower amount of coins.

Like CryptoBeliever already wrote, wallets always showed the fees before sending a transaction. But with wallet version 1.0.2 it has become much better regarding costs, since the needed key link transactions are now combined in an aggregate transaction by default.
I switched to another node again a few days ago and paid about 0.07 XYM with slowest setting for the fees.

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#17

There are improvements in 1.0.2:

  • lower fees for switch node
  • you can switch node using custom input

If you looking additional rewards paid by me I can suggest my node (Symbol Harvesting - additional reward to each harvesting on my node ! :)). Additional 12 XYM to each block.
What do you think is this proposition ok? Maybe guaranteed 10XYM for connecting to my node would be better option for small harvesters? :thinking:

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#18

@dk99 @ziponline

Sorry to double post but now I offer 10XYM bonus if you will harvest at least week on my node (even if you will not hit any block). Maybe you will be interested Symbol Harvesting - additional reward to each harvesting on my node ! :) - #3 by harvest-big-blocks

#19

Just to give a quick update: I finally hit my first block today. Took over 2 months btw.
According to this calculator I found in another topic here on the forum it will take 50 days to hit the next block. Not sure if it’s accurate but we’ll see.

#20

Thanks for the answer, I think I am into the 4th week waiting and I have 19k XYM. What kind/type of address are you putting in that webpage you sent?

#21

Simply put in your account address. The site is in Japanese so you have to translate it with Google or another translator. But the first number in the last column shows you the predicted time in days until you hit a block.

#22

What is your delegated harvesting importance percentage? I am curious of it, because it took over two months for you to get harvest rewards, and I want to compare it to mine, which is .000267 with 24,000 XYM.

#23

So you bought another 5k XYM? Not bad. But your score should be higher then. I have a score of .000242 but it has been lower before Binance allowed the withdrawal of XYM in the beginning of May. Not sure how high it has been exactly, but around .0002.

#24

And I have hit two months already and still nothing I confirmed I am on the harvesting list. Others on the list with lower quantites than me have already gotten rewards.
So, how many XYM got you a score of .000242? I’m trying to get a relative idea of success.

#25

I have 19,5k XYM but that won’t help you much.
Just look at the calculator I’ve linked above. According to the numbers there you can expect to hit a block approx. every 106 days with an importance of .0001 and to hit a block every 21 days you would even need .0005 importance(that’s about 41.3k XYM).
So with .000250 it would be about 74 days. Not completely sure if the numbers there are correct but I guess they are.

There’s also some other factors that matter, like activity. You should definitely read the articles in the
symbol docs, e.g. this one.

#26

Thanks, with changing nodes once before and having not seen anything for almost 90 days, I think my lack of trust with XYM harvesting keeps me re-asking these questions. There are 14 harvesters on my node and I am only 1 of only 2 that have received nothing and I am not the lowest quantity holder. I hear about people with 10k that received twice in a month and it just makes me lose confidence. I have ADA earning also and its nice to see something roll in every 5 days consistently.

#27

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