How can you put together a “team” when none of these candidates have even been elected yet?
The community will decide who gets in the team, thats the whole point of the election.
There is at least one person I dont want to see on that list, going by the stuff ive seen them post on social media.
Thanks for yet another good support for NEM - for posting this “proposed line-up”. (Which I obviously don’t support).
Could you disclose the source of the Telegram message and/or perhaps underline it with a screenshot?
Else, it stays unclear where it’s from and whether it’s authentic (from Stephen). Thanks!
Hey @r3n3 I don’t think this was meant to be secret. Stephen also posted it in NEM Malaysia channel. I’m also member in there. Here is link: https://t.me/NEMMalaysia
Haha, that’s intreseting. I do agree that Jeff McDonald should on this list. Jeff had done a lot for NEM.
Also I don’t know whether others is reporting to Stephen, I’m not reporting to Stephen.
NEM China is an independent region, as Regional Head of NEM China I am reporting to the foundation council and foundation President Kristof.
I would have a council and Exco with gender and geographic diversity , and with a few positions taken from outside Foundation.
Good luck to all candidates!
Reminder about core devs concerns/comments.
who contributes in real?
Foundation, in general, has underperformed. EU is only region that has staffed global CoE. Other regions have shifted to catapult focus much sooner than SEA.
why you’re focusing on SEA?
Because SEA is the only region that is praising itself about what a great job it is doing. Yet, when asked for specifics, there is little in real results. Additionally, SEA typically does not cooperate with global foundation initiatives (e.g. CoE) and has been one of the last regions to shift focus to catapult (although given this directive nearly a year ago).
and who unveal this measures to regions from the top to discuss it now
I imagine the foundation and SEA region have some way of measuring its performance? What are these metrics? Are goals being achieved? Who knows?
https://forum.()nem.io/t/a-nem-employees-comment-on-the-upcoming-elections/20493/32
What does foundation do?
It seems to spend a lot of time opening blockchain centers and traveling to conferences. No ROI of such investments have been provided. In fact, most of the foundation’s finances are too opaque.
How is foundation participating in catapult development?
…. Outside of the EU region, no catapult support has been provided. This is really an indictment of all the other regions, excepting the newly established NA region….
https://forum(.)nem.io/t/foundation-faq-core-dev-perspective/20363
Conversation from Telegram chat
Alexandra Tinsman | NEM.io, [08.12.18]
[In reply to Stephen Chia | NEM.io]I think it’s good to share more why you’re looking at this specific line up. There’s a thread in the forums about this. Might be good to post there too? https://forum(.)nem(.)io/t/future-council-picks-for-stephen-chia/21047/11 I’ve been thinking a lot about the right balance and perspectives for the Council as well. I’m curious to see who the community picks… I’m sure the community will ask about this in the AMAs next week with various team members. It would be good to get you joining in on the AMAs as well.
Alexandra Tinsman | NEM.io, [08.12.18]
@schia48 I’m also curious why you didn’t include Jeff? I strongly disagreed on not including him. He’s an obviously strong choice from the perspective of connecting with community, many technical contributions, Council experience, being an entreprenuer, contributing to the roadmap, owning multiple Supernodes, contributing since 2014, works well with our core devs, as well as strong partnerships with companies large and small.
Alexandra Tinsman | NEM.io, [08.12.18]
Jeff is also the one staying up late with me and others testing the Nanowallet before elections. So his dedication to this process is unwavering.
Rene B [ACCESS Blockchain (MY) / LuxTag.io], [08.12.18]
I’d like to see a bit more if global balance. Stephen’s proposal includes no EU nor North America candidates.
Which is already now one of the downsides of the NEM Foundation.
We need to be less Asia(-only) centric.
Rene B [ACCESS Blockchain (MY) / LuxTag.io], [08.12.18]
(Says the “Malaysian” Rene
)
Alexandra Tinsman | NEM.io, [08.12.18]
Truthfully, I was hoping Jeff would run for President. It really should have been him in the role all along. If we can’t have him for President, then I’ll happily push for Council because he will lift the entire Council up.
Stephen Chia | NEM.io, [08.12.18]
[In reply to Alexandra Tinsman | NEM.io]
No doubt, Jeff has contributed greatly to the formation of the Foundation as well as the community in the past 2 years. And there is also reasons why he stepped down as VP previously. I believe his move back from Korea to the US would help lift NorthAmerica region which has been stalled due to absence of strong leadership there, until now with you at the helm. Its a big job, and I doubt its a single person, but a team that can grow NEM there.
Stephen Chia | NEM.io, [08.12.18]
[In reply to Rene B [ACCESS Blockchain (MY) / LuxTag.io]]
I guess everyone is entitled to their views on this, but my proposed line up is based upon whom I believe is able to get the Foundation back up and running effectively, to achieve the kind of goals we need to get done in 2019/2020.
Alexandra Tinsman | NEM.io, [08.12.18]
[In reply to Stephen Chia | NEM.io]
Jeff stepping down had to do with politics, not ability. He’ll be just fine helping the council achieve great things in 2019 and beyond. I bet a lot of our community agree and will vote accordingly. Please join our AMAs next week. It is nice to see you speaking up more in our social channels.
My conclusion about the conversation between Alex/Rene and Stephen above:
How is foundation participating in catapult development?
…. Outside of the EU region, no catapult support has been provided. This is really an indictment of all the other regions, excepting the newly established NA region…. © Jaguar
So Stephen doesnt hear NEM core devs and their concerns.
Who are interested in delaying Catapult release? - I’d like to leave this open question for your own analysis.
I believe his move back from Korea to the US would help lift NorthAmerica region © Stephen
No comments…
Months of total inaction indicates at the very least disinterest or stupidity. Malice comes next.
Whole elections process is a show with a couple of hundreds of selected voters who are funded by a group that even doesn’t want to release Catapult on NEM public chain anytime soon.
See more on my point of view on this here Misha Granin for Vice President (at least for a day, so we all can create NEM Foundation 2.0)
So John :
I guess you are making this up as you go along and arriving at your own conclusions.
What gave you the impression that SEA did not cooperate with the Foundation initiatives (eg CoE)? You seem to ignore fact is the task of the catapult roadmap development was tasked to the CoE set up in Europe way back in 2017 when Lon & Jeff and the Council then. And together with the rest of the other regions, SEA concentrated to have boots on the ground to grow NEM presence and support in the regions. Now, one & half years later… seems now the lack of Catapult development or roadmap is blamed on the other regions (especially SEA) why is that? Has anyone ever asked the question, what has the CoE Europe done during that one and half years with the mandate, and now has dwindled down to 5-6 people? Truth of the matter is the mandate or the project leadership was never given to the other regions, and was solely in the hand of EU Region.
Give us the other regions the mandate and the budget, and we WILL get Catapult roadmap done and released.
Care to explain what you mean by that? Why would be even consider to do that?
Please care to take a look at my candidate document with regards to our plans to work towards the technology roadmap and our plans to work globally to support the core devs in finishing Catapult.
Are you implying that the current Interim President Kristof (with his current Council) has done all the hard work of ensuring the eligible voters are all properly KYCed and also qualified to vote is all for a show? And that there are still questionable “funded voters” in the current roster of voters?
By the way, Misha you still have not said thank you to me personally for clearing up the complications and mess you have created with the unfinished MOU with the Kazakhstan Space Agency, and left the Council to take corrective measures to clear NEM’s reputation there in early 2018. And I spent 2-3 weeks trying to get in touch with you after you went MIA.
What gave you the impression that SEA did not cooperate with the Foundation initiatives (eg CoE)?
I was talking about cooperation SEA region with Core devs/development catapult, not with NF.
You seem to ignore fact is the task of the catapult roadmap development was tasked to the CoE set up in Europe way back in 2017 when Lon & Jeff and the Council then.
Yes, and your childhood friend Lon was a President during those period. We still dont have any comments from his side about roadmap, maybe because he was busy with ProximaX?
And together with the rest of the other regions, SEA concentrated to have boots on the ground to grow NEM presence and support in the regions.
You dont have initial ground - strong tech support. How can you build anything without strong footing/groundwork?
Now, one & half years later… seems now the lack of Catapult development or roadmap is blamed on the other regions (especially SEA) why is that? Has anyone ever asked the question, what has the CoE Europe done during that one and half years with the mandate, and now has dwindled down to 5-6 people?
Why some devs, who left NF, still continue to work on catapult development out of NF?
Give us the other regions the mandate and the budget, and we WILL get Catapult roadmap done and released.
Have you, as candidate to President position, contacted to core devs and discussed Catapult development steps? If no, why you should get budget for it?
Please care to take a look at my candidate document with regards to our plans to work towards the technology roadmap and our plans to work globally to support the core devs in finishing Catapult.
I rate people by their actions. You was against PoI voting. You are Council member of NF and try to delegate your responsibilities to other.
Questions from my side:
I ask you to please stick to the topic of this conversation here. Once again I invite you to see my opinion in another thread as you completely misunderstand what I mean by “funded.”
Please see that thread and my detailed reply to your question and request there:
https://forum.nem.io/t/misha-granin-for-vice-president-at-least-for-a-day-so-we-all-can-create-nem-foundation-2-0/20742/37
Let’s get back to our question to you:
How many of your employees have registered to vote and are in that chat and how do they feel knowing their boss is giving instructions on how to vote?
Hey Stephen,
You ask me to explain what I mean by “that”. I sent emoticons showing my surprise, irritation and confusion about the particular statement which the original poster had made at Future Council Picks for Stephen Chia
His post made me think whether ProximaX in particular would benefit from a delayed NEM Catapult Public Chain launch. Would it? I am more and more confused whether it is a splinter group of (highest) NEM people trying to one day even compete with NEM. I am still giving the benefit of doubt and hope it’s a NEM Ecosystem project supporting the mother-ship. But as I said… #confused
Possible scenarios after the elections:
President Stephen. VP Misha.
This thread proves that it is one of the worst scenarios. Misha and Stephen can’t work together again.
President Stephen. VP. Nelson. + Dona, (Stephen supporter).
Nothing new. Continuity to the project and strategy of Lon and SEA. The only thing that can balance it is a majority council with people outside the grasp of Stephen.
President Alexandra VP Misha.
Misha is not trustworthy. He has been dismissed or removed from the foundation and has made very serious mistakes in Venezuela and Kazakhstan. He is not close to the NEM community. It can be a problem over time. Uncertainty.
President Alexandra VP Nelson.
Balance. Nelson, despite having made mistakes in the elections, the community can forgive. He has to be willing to leave the past of LON and Stephen and give support to Alexandra and the rest of the regions that he has not created. (Philippines, Ukraine, Australia, Middle East and Latam are teams created by Nelson).
I think it’s obvious that this group competes with NEM even today, it’s not so hard to find direct or indirect evidence of this in recent publications and election materials of some of candidates from this group.
@Rene, some people from “Stephen’s list” talk only about projects on NIS1, no words about catapult development/infrastructure/explorer/wallets and many other thing. What is a reason to develop projects during 3-4-5-6 months on NIS1 if we have NEM 2.0 next year(They clearly understand it, because someone asked them to talk only about NIS1, some of them are admin/active users in ProximaX local chats. Coincidence…).
@Rene, This is Stephen habit - to change topic/words and substitution of concepts.
Stephen removed his post from telegram chat and changed shoes
Jeff POI Vote Now, [09.12.18]
I came to make a small correction. Sorry I wasn’t in this chat before.
Jeff POI Vote Now, [09.12.18]
I want to comment on the list above.
Jeff POI Vote Now, [09.12.18]
Hi Malaysia,
I just want to jump in here with some clarifications. Stephen has stated above that he is “putting together at team”. I want to be clear and correct this. He is NOT putting together a team, nor Alex, nor me, nor anybody else.
The job of putting together the team belongs to the community and the elected officials are there to serve you. It is YOU, the community, that puts together the team, and you do this by looking at all candidates and deciding who you think is best for NEM and then voting.
Please forget any suggested lists given by Stephen or anybody else and vote how you want to freely. If everybody just votes the way somebody tells them to vote, what is the point in having an election in the first place?
Stephen Chia | NEM(.)io, [09.12.18]
[In reply to Jeff POI Vote Now]Based on my proposed objectives of what we need to get done in the coming year, my previous post of my proposed line up is purely my personal view.
I encourage everyone to do your own due diligence on the capabilities, past contributions, credentials & character of the individual candidates when casting your vote in the upcoming Elections for Council 2019/20.
Thank you.
I sent Stephen a message and asked him to remove his post from Telegram after I commented in Telegram. He understood my points and thought it was best to clarify and he made that statement too on top of it.
Things sometimes get hectic in elections and not everything that everybody posts will always be on point or correct. Since Stephen has clarified on Telegram where the post was made and then the discussion spilled over here, it is probably best to wrap up the conversation here too so we can focus on the most important issues going into the election. So I guess in a little while if there are no more comments, I’m going to set a timer to close this thread.
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