Hi all, thanks for all the discussion so far, its good to see it has people thinking. I will try and round up several replies in one.
@cryptonit @gevs
DAO is a strong word…etc
That is fair. It doesn’t need to be called a DAO, we just need another word for it and Dorian has several in a later post that look goo. The activity platform also use the term Social Mining, but its a bit unclear. Ultimately NEM community can call it whatever we like to refer to a pool of tokens that the community can choose to allocate to community members for supportive tasks, contributions etc. We can work on this name over the next few weeks, it may even be a good first task/vote!
@Stinghe_Dorian
Regarding the detailed document that you have provided…etc
Thanks for consideration of it and your reply(ies) raise several useful points. Regarding solid/concrete plans it was written that way on purpose. NEM Group is not trying to tell the rest of community what to do and impose that, we are trying to start a conversation as a community member that we think there are some things which should be considered.
The amnesty concept is one of those, we aren’t sure if its wanted or not either, but it has caused a lot of bad feeling on both sides. So we wanted to ask if people think it is wanted or not. If people think it has broken part of the community or not etc. If it is wanted, we are happy to help co-ordinate it, if its not then the community have decided that rather than an entity, we would like it be a conscious community choice though. We are trying to think of ideas for everyone to move forward from that means every positive news story and post doesn’t turn into a 100 reply thread most of which is X person did this, Y person did that and isn’t focused on the progress. It happens to often on the forum and on twitter, which ultimately hurts progress and forward momentum.
I encourage all of you to come up with alternative plans in parallel and release them for discussion
100% agree with this, we want the community to be engaged and decide the direction, we are just trying to help move past frustration/apathy. Its been great to see initiatives (like discord) over the past few weeks. No one pretends to have all the answers here, if there are better suggestions, we definitely want them out in public and to be implemented.
@Stinghe_Dorian @gevs
XRP army
Yep, I agree, some of their techniques are not naturally how NEM community members tend to act and they can even be quite hostile sometimes. We don’t need to be them, it was more a quick and easy reference to saying NEM would probably benefit from a public and vocally supportive, organised group. As a community we can work out how best to do that for NEM.
@tresto @TakaNobu
Thank you for the input, particularly with the language challenges (I have seen some chat on NEM Japan I will try and reply via translation soon). I am concerned that some of the messages have not survived well from English to Japanese. The main points I want to make sure are clear across languages:
- NGL are not telling the community how to behave, or trying and enforce that.
- The code of conduct would not be written by NGL, it would be written by the community and agreed by the community - the behaviour in NEM Japan for example appears to be a good level or respect and questions. Hard questions are not a problem.
- NGL is saying we think there have been problems, mainly in the English speaking community, and we think it would be healthy to try and fix them. Rude and disrespectful behaviour we think has been a problem and want to help heal that problem.
- NEM group are not and do not want to be admin on any community channels. Any community channels, they should be controlled by the community.
- The input here is valuable and being listened to, it is also similar to the focus group/advisory concept to ensure we are able to hear the feedback and understand it.
@tresto on some specific items:
Japan Advisory …
The current NEM Foundation team in Japan are paid by the NEM Foundation, you are right. Mikun as Community Lead, Etsuko as Communications/PR lead and Kevin Newman as Business Development. The Advisory Group is different to this team. A team of paid people will continue to exist in Japan via NEM Group we need to work with that team to work out how to structure this most effectively. The same is true for other regions. We are working to move the tech and sales teams first. That is being worked through just now and conversations will start very soon on this approach as well.
The advisory group, needs to be defined with the community, if it is useful and wanted. If it is not we can have a different approach. That will be done via conversations, survey(s) and focus groups.
The goal to make sure the community voice/questions/ideas are understood well. In both directions. We plan to work with the community to see how that should be achieved and more detail will be published in the next 2-3 weeks. All of the community, both in Japan and outside Japan. There are members of the community who speak both languages and may be willing to be more involved. The Activity Platform part we think could help with this, but we want to speak to everyone about this over the coming weeks to make sure it can.
I also agree. Direct dialogue will be difficult (my Japanese is very very bad!), it will probably be via local teams and bilingual community representatives who can help be a bridge. This hasn’t worked well so far and we want to work together to see how best to achieve this, because it is important for everyone. We can, for example, also help Japanese projects and companies expand to other regions if we understand what is being done and how best to help.
If you were to do marketing in Japan…
We agree and understand this, some of the team have experience in Japan and other non European language countries/cultures. This is one of the reasons that an in country Communications and PR lead exists already. It is very important to ensure marketing is tailored correctly for several regions, Japan is one of those.
Japanese subsidiary within NGL…
Whether it is a legal subsidiary, or a team employed by the parent company, we agree and know there is a requirement to ensure the approach is localised and information passed well in both directions. We are looking at this as part of the re-organisation of global teams and expect to have more news on this in the next few weeks. The job of this team is likely to be a combination of promoting the project/technology and assisting the local community to do the same, capturing feedback and ensuring responses and messaging are understood.
but I think it’s hard to find people who can fulfill the mission
It is a very difficult mission, but we think it is worth the effort and want to work together to find the best way to do this - whether paid, volunteer, combined, focus group, advisory group etc. If the community has any ideas do please send them to be in public or private, we will also begin these conversations very soon to try and help.
What do you think led to the acceptance of NEM in Japan? That’s because there were Japanese people on the initial core team, and also because TechBureau Japan was involved. It’s simple.
100% agree
I hope the above is understandable. I have tried to write it so it has short sentences and hope translation is simpler. Let me know if anything is unclear please.
years back, of course… when this town was requesting its independency…