Proof of importance competition

General Discussion
#61


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You expect me to track balances the whole way through? Not a hope..

I have a way around that trick don't worry.



Isn't there tools for getting balances ... I guess it would be easy.
(In NXT I read the blockchain from the start and collected all TXs, and so min and max were computable)
Ofc, this was just one way.
It is not sure what measures the POI in a correct way :)


im not doing that.. its not needed what so ever.

im not just measuring poi and im not just measuring nemcoins. the equation(s) i posted previously explain exactly(minus the typo) how it is being worked out  and exactly how this competition is being judged. that is all that matters. how poi is measured is currently only a concern to competitors.
#62



...
You expect me to track balances the whole way through? Not a hope..

I have a way around that trick don't worry.



Isn't there tools for getting balances ... I guess it would be easy.
(In NXT I read the blockchain from the start and collected all TXs, and so min and max were computable)
Ofc, this was just one way.
It is not sure what measures the POI in a correct way :)


im not doing that.. its not needed what so ever.

im not just measuring poi and im not just measuring nemcoins. the equation(s) i posted previously explain exactly(minus the typo) how it is being worked out  and exactly how this competition is being judged. that is all that matters. how poi is measured is currently only a concern to competitors.


yes ...
I just looked the accounts in NCC (BlockChainExplorer seems to be down?)
then got an idea ... but I would need also another competition-account to test it :)

And got again that kind of intuition that the robots should be banned from the competition ...or at least restricted.

#63


...
You expect me to track balances the whole way through? Not a hope..

I have a way around that trick don't worry.



Isn't there tools for getting balances ... I guess it would be easy.
(In NXT I read the blockchain from the start and collected all TXs, and so min and max were computable)
Ofc, this was just one way.
It is not sure what measures the POI in a correct way :)


In your nem folder under nis/data, there is an h2 db. That can be read in Java and contains all the data about accounts and transactions on the blockchain.
#64



...
You expect me to track balances the whole way through? Not a hope..

I have a way around that trick don't worry.



Isn't there tools for getting balances ... I guess it would be easy.
(In NXT I read the blockchain from the start and collected all TXs, and so min and max were computable)
Ofc, this was just one way.
It is not sure what measures the POI in a correct way :)


In your nem folder under nis/data, there is an h2 db. That can be read in Java and contains all the data about accounts and transactions on the blockchain.
Makoto what is the command line used to read the db? I looked on the net but nothing worked for me.
#65



User A

u = (z - q)/(y - x)

x = 5,000,000
y = 5,500,000
q = 0.03
z = 0.1

u = (0.1 - 0.03)/(5,500,000 - 5,000,000)
u = 0.17 / 500,000
u = 0.00000034

user B

u = (z - q)/(y - x)

x = 5,000,000
y = 7,500,000
q = 0.03
z = 0.1

u = (0.1 - 0.03)/(7,500,000 - 5,000,000)
u = 0.17 / 2,500,000
u = 0.000000068

user A = 0.00000034

user B = 0.000000068

user C = -0.0000000085714286

user D = -0.000000425

\/

above zero:

1st: user A = 0.00000034

2nd: user B = 0.000000068

...


Why A is better than B?

B earns more and their change in importance is the same?


actually no i am right.

A wins because he needed to acquire fewer coins to achieve the same importance as someone who has more than him. thus user A raised his importance per coin more than B. so ya its right that A wins. he owns less but has as high an importance as someone with way more coins.

dont forget this is a PoI competition, not a "get more coins" competition.

;)


I am not sure if I can completely agree with the formula.

User A and User B have the same PoI increase, but user A has less total coins. 

To me the harder thing seems to get coins not lose them.  User A is basically getting a higher score because they have less coins over 5 million. 

What if I am user C, and I realize I have the exact same PoI as user A and B, in the last moment I burn all my extra NEMs in a encrypted message and high transaction fee to bring my total down to 5,000,001.  Now I have the same PoI score but with the lowest amount of coins, so I win.  It just doesn't seem right to me.  I think the PoI competition should be awarded to the person that has the highest PoI regardless of coin count, and in case of a tie of PoI then the account with the most coins wins.  The reason being, it is much harder to get coins then spend them and generally the goal of this competition is to see who can gain PoI the most to get the most coins, not waste them. 

Then again, maybe I am looking at the formula and outcomes wrong.  Am I?
#66

Because user A needed less coins than user B to have the same importance, user A must have made "more important" transactions than user B. If they had both made exactly the same tx's except user B got sent 2m nem extra half way through, user B would be more important. In order to catch up his importance user A would have to make some "more important" tx's.

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#67

How are yours importance scores? mine is at 0.05

The Blockchain of my wallet stalled in height 47977, will have to download everything again?  :cry:

#68

I was surprised to just get mine up to .6% 0.06%

I am still curious how long the competition will last and what the formula will be as it will effect my strategy. 

#69

the rules have been updated as they were not clear enough.

Users must not send themselves nem that was not originally sent to them by me for the purpose of the competition. ie do not send yourself nem from old accounts to boost your balance.

anyone who has broken this rule, please return the illegal nem to the account from which it came. if all the illegal nem is returned asap i will make an exception and not disqualify anyone who has broken this rule as i did not state it clearly enough in the rules. how ever if the illegal nem remains in participants primary accounts at the end of the competition they will be disqualified. i will be watching accounts closely over the duration of the competition to ensure that all participants are in compliance with the rules.


thank you.

#70

[center]update:[/center]

highest importance currently 0.06%

as for how the winners will be decided: the new calculation will simply be remaining nem in primary account multiplied by gained importance score. the user with the highest score wins.

#71

How is everyone doing with the competition?

#72

Was doing great until .34 derailed me with the fork :(. After a few block chain nukes and resets with .36 I'm back in business. Shockingly at 0.08% despite my lost time.

#73

I've been trying some new things out and got mine up to 0.08% today and was pretty ecstatic about it, until I found out that somebody on a fork was able to do the same.  :stuck_out_tongue: hahaha

#74

I've been trying some new things out and got mine up to 0.08% today and was pretty ecstatic about it, until I found out that somebody on a fork was able to do the same.  :P hahaha
my have 0.08 now.
I have set up a bot with Ghost Mouse and a .vbs script, but do not know how to use it effectively to increase the PoI
I am sending some NEM to another new account without abusing, but is not adding much PoI. ;/
#75

I am sending coins out and in too but so far no help.

#76

I am sending coins out and in too but so far no help.


well dont worry no one is shooting out ahead.. its still any ones game i think. i have a feeling i know what strategy will win.. :)
#77

I am sending coins out and in too but so far no help.


score is only recalculated every 40(ish...dunno the exact number right now) blocks so it'll take a while before anything has an effect.
#78

I am sending coins out and in too but so far no help.
In the alpha test, when it sent a massive amount, Poi rising quickly, then fall.
The account that received the Poi down and then recovered gradually.

Small amounts sent in short time can be recognized as SPAM, then the devs should have put an antispam (Poi falls when there is repetitive amounts and in the same block of the same account).
So I'll try to send transactions without overloading the network.

is similar to pagerank, each transaction is like a vote, but I think there are more things among
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank
I kick that there is a balance of forces to prevent robots to the fullest.

How much more you send coins out of the account plus the PoI fall after a while. If the destination account acquire some amount of PoI, you can send to another (different from the first), expect this to have any more Highscore PoI and return to the second and then send all bills to first. thus strengthen the indication that the accounts do one another with TX
Every shipment is to wait a while for coins assimilating the account.

The larger the branch, more PoI accounts will remember this scheme.
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That are some speculations, nothing truly proven. : p
#79

How's the competition going, everyone?

#80

I'm up to .1% after sending about 100 transactions manually.  My PoI seems to go up whether I send a few or many transactions.  I am starting to think there is no long term way to beat the PoI by channeling money to myself through different accounts.  It doesn't seem to help.  Instead it seems like it goes up in the long term with the existing coins aging.  Maybe I am wrong.