and what kind of proof that would be? who will decide if that proof is enough? community voting?
i personally can not thing of any proof that could not be faked with that kind of money they are asking (few NEM stakes)
Out of curiosity do you still of the evidence that was used to eliminate people from the final stake holder list? Seeing if that evidence could be addressed would probably be a good place to start.
I think, you can still find all the evidence you need in this forum and bitcointalk… e.g stakeholder list and discussions, final list, verification methods etc.
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i did some digging for you.
Most gdocs links with stakeholders lists do not work any more. The main guy responsible for distribution (utopianfuture) is not in crypto any more - Last Active: June 14, 2014, 07:41:24 PM according to bitcointalk.
what i could find:
there were 2 rounds of stakeholder audit, first was https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=496112.0 second i did not find (there is some not working link in gdocs file below)
some working link to probably not updated stakeholder list:
NEM final stakeholder list - post UP
as you can see in “addition” tab that there were at least 16 wrongly accused socks who got their stakes back
btt thread about "NEM stake complaint, questions etc."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450200.0
there is where ppl were writing these kind of complains from February 05, 2014, to May 09, 2014,
June 13, 2014, - new main btt thread "NEM Official Non-Moderated Thread [Updates & Discussion]"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650274.0
- looks like they had final stakeholder list, but link does not work, there is just some info about distribution
next btt thread "NEM - New Economy Movement - Refund/Account Change Requests & Complaints"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650500.0
from June 13, 2014 to August 19, 2014 - handled mostly by patmast3r since ut was gone
Launch was at March 31, 2015, so there is LOTS of posts/threads to go though and I dont have time for that.
this btt post sums it nicely:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450200.msg4958162#msg4958162
"I have been following the nem threads and am amazed at the lengths some people go to get a bigger stake. Whole family members down to toddlers are apparently getting in on this. Peoples greed has no limit. Devs are doing a really good job at trying to keep it fair but it seems the parasites are allways close by. Some of the stories here stagger the imagination. I have teen kids that im getting involved in crypto. I get them to mine the easy coins like ccoin where they see how things work and can get some blocks with relatively low hash. I will share my stake with them and not try to swindle out a stake for some made up family members and friends. Why cant you people do the same???"
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"what kind of proof that would be?"
Well actually it’s first your task to show the proof for the accusation.
Yes I was one of those who got accused of being a sockpuppet. I had reserved only one stake and there is no way someone could have claimed another stake from my computer or ip address. So I had no reason to even consider the possibility that I might not get my stake and only noticed it when trying to open my wallet for the first time. The only explanations I can think of are a mistake and someone deliberately removing innocent people from the list.
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Thanks rajc,
I will look though these. I did find the final stake holder list that you posted. Do you know what the highlighting means? Also what does the scientific notation mean in the hash column? both my wife and I have it. this is what is after my nick 7.17E+18.
that is not final stakeholder list, so you are still there … you were probably eliminated in second round, but i dont know who did that …
that scientific notation is some tx id, but google sheets displays it wrongly
what is your bitcointalk account?
You can gather the data etc, however I think it’s not possible to re-open the redemption process. The community have decided about it long ago.
If you still interested, you can buy from the open market and start harvesting for more. At 0.01cts/xem now is still good price, as it still in beta stage, if everything goes according to plan, it could worth more.
Also anyone can take part in building, marketing, other activities to earn bounties / regular payment. If you search in the forum you will find who to contact for specific project. It may not be the same as at initial participation call, but it’s a start.
We were on the final stake holder list and we did the redemption process in time. The thing is that the adresses we were given during that process show zero balance.
Amen!
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The logic here: Something was decided long ago by someone and now nothing can be done anymore. It just proves that the people behind nem are as greedy and selfish as with any coin and the talk of fairness is just basic bullshit advertising. Oh we can still buy nem from the open market with a good price? Well that comforts a lot when the stakes that would now be worth $25k were basically stolen from us.
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I agree with you.
I knew NEM was going to become valuable because it did a lot of things that no other coin did. So I created a bitcointalk account especially to safeguard my stake, with a special password, so that if my regular bitcointalk password got stolen somewhere else, that it would not affect my stake.
I checked back a few times, and I thought I had claimed my stake… instead I also just got an empty account.
It’s little things like this, that give community projects all over the world a bad name. Just a few community members make decisions that affect others.
I still hope someone else comes up with a better coin than NEM… because it doesn’t looke like NEM will be it, and the NEM people have made enough money now, so they don’t care any more. That is what people who are only in it for the money do. Once they have money, they stop caring. They don’t even try. They don’t even know what they want the money for in the first place, they just want more and more money.
With this stake, I could have started a company. I could have provided employment for people. I could have made the world a better place.
But now it will take me much longer.
I also have backup copies and links… for if someone can get through to the overlords.
I have another plan - if there are enough of us, and if we can convince most NEM holders to let us become part of the community, and if the overlords still refuse, we can just fork it.
Or start a new coin, the perfect coin is not out yet, nor is the perfect distribution model… but there are some good bits to pick and choose from.
Sorry to say that, but you are ~10 out of ~2800 so there is ~99,6% chance this situation is not fault of “overlords”
-out of people complaining here only justin_sane, QBTC, XDM and people they registered were probably wrongly accused. (only those I could find in original stakeholder list - before sock deletion)
Nothing was stolen from you, at worst you were non voluntary refunded your contribution to nem project.
I would also like to see those lists and proofs, however i can understand, that competent people are reluctant to open this topic since they had to go thought thousands of posts/requests/complains and they did the best they could. And still, some people who missed publicly announced deadlines come to complain 2 years after this topic was closed.
All of you should stop looking back to the past.
There is still room to get involved in NEM; you can:
develop a NEM based application and ask for funds
help debugging mobile app and get bounties
write articles for NEM blog and get rewards
other things like that
It is easy to say, if you didn’t get the victim of a flawed process without doing anything wrong that basically prevented your life form turning into a totally different direction. And it is quite cynical as well…
Hello, I’m just finding out about this situation. I ensured that was on a “final list” and then went on with my life. It’s been a couple years it’s true, but while the people involved have been living and breathing this stuff, and these deadlines seem quite appropriate to them, others were not. I had confidence that regardless of the length of time required, the devs would honor the commitments they made when the stakes were assigned. It now appears that that trust was misplaced. If the devs can’t be trusted then the coin is worthless in my opinion.
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devs can be trusted, because they did exactly what community decided.
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I thought the coin was to be distributed to around 4k people, from what I have found so far, it was only distributed to around 1500. I thought I was part of the “community”, but I certainly wouldn’t have agreed to this.
What? $26000? Are you serious? That is crazy, how? How much is one stake worth today?
I see in the blog that 2500 people got stakes and 500 didn’t. That is a lot who didn’t. How do I find out why I didn’t get my stake?