Spread some XEM!

General Discussion
#81

I think at this point we have to start some reputation system. For most of us, this is really the best way to establish and maintain our POI score.


Good Idea. How would you do such a system ?
Does such a system already exists ?

A simple List maintained by a small group could published via Sticky Message could be a Starter.

BTW
mladen00 is now at my negativ list.

#82

NAIVE4-3D3SLI-5MFIIX-RFIY64-RKOWIY-QQQ6MB-M2CC new trial
NBGJF6-HPBQ3D-ETGXYL-S73YRK-IGM7R7-TNS643-YNMD spread xem1
NAN26N-3JB6AP-Y46PTF-3B6FI5-N7SYK7-NVBWTJ-III5 spread xem2
NBBYPT-NH3DVI-IGNT4U-FF656D-G22JEM-AWORTY-CZU6 spread xem3
NDSB42-CNFKB7-PN4F7S-XQP6YH-7V7RDR-H4KQYJ-JBGN spread xem4
NCO52B-YGNK7E-6KFFLC-USQGWU-2YMLR7-T6CO35-GJ54 spread xem5
NAUNFP-EJEBGG-IEGAQP-CWTYP2-NOOGP5-VDU4T4-7ZGB spread xem6
NBYOKP-4LSLQX-RJ7H3P-QXGFTT-TB66HM-MDUU5D-4TO7 spread xem7
NC5QXZ-INO3GM-DATUGA-DAORET-QXI4IE-ZLWKWS-DHOD spread xem8
NBIHTV-2VI6H4-C3Q4MC-45LEIX-SHUABL-THNGB5-RMH4 spread xem9
NBWZI6-6YYHX7-SDEM7Y-ARPUQL-MIKN3G-XEA36X-CQG2 trusted for big amounts-1
NCXDY2-6BJQ3P-5EYWTJ-CW27AU-ZKT5WY-PXSF7P-WKXD trusted for big amounts-2
NB3T23-B5KQ5K-Z65TPL-LPYF2B-WWPWLQ-7SLGPK-6VWC trusted for big amounts-3
ND6ETC-BGYCT4-HZV6AA-BZMC5T-SSKKL6-3SCGYH-IB7V waiting +1000 nem
NB67JQ-UGXMEQ-VKJV5Z-UOPQXH-KDU3JT-6YUQ5S-QJEK waiting +1000 xem
NAIENN-4TFSZG-V6IYB4-PNYZ3T-Z4UGZL-C6RGFF-CXSB waiting +1000 xem
NBEUAX-WJJ2RN-3GXC3N-HCUMWU-GHJOBF-O6IDZH-QJZL waiting +10000 xem
NAWXFD-X3OOYR-CP3ONS-AMW75I-RIBKVG-WKLJ32-LULF my account


hi everybody,

i m working on my spread list.There is my trusted partners and other senders. i mean "other" because i didnt try to spread big amounts of xem,yet. But they sent back all of my xem,so, they are trusted too. i have 4 problem of spreads,i hope they will send back soon.

if u wanna spread some xem for good POI, just let me know :slight_smile:

cheers…

#83

I sent a bit more around, not much.  Hopefully it will have some sort of positive effect.

#84

NAIVE4-3D3SLI-5MFIIX-RFIY64-RKOWIY-QQQ6MB-M2CC new trial
NBGJF6-HPBQ3D-ETGXYL-S73YRK-IGM7R7-TNS643-YNMD spread xem1
NAN26N-3JB6AP-Y46PTF-3B6FI5-N7SYK7-NVBWTJ-III5 spread xem2
NBBYPT-NH3DVI-IGNT4U-FF656D-G22JEM-AWORTY-CZU6 spread xem3
NDSB42-CNFKB7-PN4F7S-XQP6YH-7V7RDR-H4KQYJ-JBGN spread xem4
NCO52B-YGNK7E-6KFFLC-USQGWU-2YMLR7-T6CO35-GJ54 spread xem5
NAUNFP-EJEBGG-IEGAQP-CWTYP2-NOOGP5-VDU4T4-7ZGB spread xem6
NBYOKP-4LSLQX-RJ7H3P-QXGFTT-TB66HM-MDUU5D-4TO7 spread xem7
NC5QXZ-INO3GM-DATUGA-DAORET-QXI4IE-ZLWKWS-DHOD spread xem8
NBIHTV-2VI6H4-C3Q4MC-45LEIX-SHUABL-THNGB5-RMH4 spread xem9
NBWZI6-6YYHX7-SDEM7Y-ARPUQL-MIKN3G-XEA36X-CQG2 trusted for big amounts-1
NCXDY2-6BJQ3P-5EYWTJ-CW27AU-ZKT5WY-PXSF7P-WKXD trusted for big amounts-2
NB3T23-B5KQ5K-Z65TPL-LPYF2B-WWPWLQ-7SLGPK-6VWC trusted for big amounts-3
ND6ETC-BGYCT4-HZV6AA-BZMC5T-SSKKL6-3SCGYH-IB7V waiting +1000 nem
NB67JQ-UGXMEQ-VKJV5Z-UOPQXH-KDU3JT-6YUQ5S-QJEK waiting +1000 xem
NAIENN-4TFSZG-V6IYB4-PNYZ3T-Z4UGZL-C6RGFF-CXSB waiting +1000 xem
NBEUAX-WJJ2RN-3GXC3N-HCUMWU-GHJOBF-O6IDZH-QJZL waiting +10000 xem
NAWXFD-X3OOYR-CP3ONS-AMW75I-RIBKVG-WKLJ32-LULF my account



My List:
U = Untrusted
VL = Very Low <= 100 xem
L = Low  <= 1k em
M = Medium Amount <= 10k xem
H = High Amount <= 50k xem
VH = Very High >= 100k xem 


NAUNFP-EJEBGG-IEGAQP-CWTYP2-NOOGP5-VDU4T4-7ZGB | mladen00            | U
NDB44P-C3EXPR-MINBZJ-SY7IUC-AFLJE2-Q3ZE7V-DYOK    | bonz                | VL
NB3T23-B5KQ5K-Z65TPL-LPYF2B-WWPWLQ-7SLGPK-6VWC | S.Nemoto        | M
NCO52B-YGNK7E-6KFFLC-USQGWU-2YMLR7-T6CO35-GJ54  | Karen              | VL
NCXDY2-6BJQ3P-5EYWTJ-CW27AU-ZKT5WY-PXSF7P-WKX  | paveel90          | VL
NBIHTV-2VI6H4-C3Q4MC-45LEIX-SHUABL-THNGB5-RMH4  | sedimer          | VH
NBEUAX-WJJ2RN-3GXC3N-HCUMWU-GHJOBF-O6IDZH-QJZL | tompa            | H
NBWZI6-6YYHX7-SDEM7Y-ARPUQL-MIKN3G-XEA36X-CQG2  | averagejoe      |M
NA7O7O-X63RAI-XFT3MH-UWLU3D-SNXLBT-OFNDZG-HW6E | sky                | H
NAWXFD-X3OOYR-CP3ONS-AMW75I-RIBKVG-WKLJ32-LULF  | asey10          | L
NBL457-JOOJ6M-WMUUIU-2HTIAJ-Z32YNE-FOQX5A-QO6O  | be5en5tiel      |M
NDSB42-CNFKB7-PN4F7S-XQP6YH-7V7RDR-H4KQYJ-JBGN  | boniface        | M
NAPEKY-2RHV2D-GOYRSY-OOFARQ-IOS4EW-4I3XSM-KKOH |JohnyTrust    | VL

NBYOKP-4LSLQX-RJ7H3P-QXGFTT-TB66HM-MDUU5D-4TO7  |my self - firefighter | VH


Not part of Spreading
NCATX3-AZMCD7-MIXE53-AULM6J-3V6V2K-ZEWWCK-VDCT | owon            | H
NAV4KQ-3QANH6-TMNWXC-2322W4-OZ5ZQQ-AAARCP-2PBE | tomcio2001 | M















#85

Could it be better to send in loops using a list of addresses in the message? I'll try that with some trusted partners.

Edit: OK, message is getting too long. need another system.

#86

Could it be better to send in loops using a list of addresses in the message? I'll try that with some trusted partners.

Edit: OK, message is getting too long. need another system.


good idea - and the problem with the message could be done like this:
in the message ist only the original adress of the owner fo the xems, the original amount and the number of transactions

for example:
NBIHTV-2VI6H4-C3Q4MC-45LEIX-SHUABL-THNGB5-RMH4
50.000 XEM
sendet: 1/10 times

the next one is sending it to someone else: the only difference in his message ist to scale one number up in the message: sendet: 2/10 times... and so on, and so on, and so on...
if it reaches 10/10 the amount comes back to his original owner... :-)
but for this solution it is absolutly important to have 100% trusted partners...
#87

907×187


Sent some XEM :slight_smile:
Sorry asey10, haven't seen TX until you reminded me… Thanks! Hope we are cool :slight_smile:


Could it be better to send in loops using a list of addresses in the message? I'll try that with some trusted partners.
Edit: OK, message is getting too long. need another system.


Wee need to be very careful because someone not morally strong could easily get into the loop with few smaller rounds and then when trust is earned start to receive bigger amounts (100K) and then when he/she gets 500K from several of us - just vanish…

For coordination - we could all be in one Telegram group. That way we can easily notify entire group on the status of the round/loop.
PM with Telegram usernames if you are not already in some NEM group there… And if you are, you already have my T username and just contact me :slight_smile:

I have another proposition - why wouldn't we practice creation and use of multisig (on separate, newly created accounts)?
I should probably create a new thread just for that (and I think I will if there is interest shown here) and we can also use Telegram for that as well (especially for initial starting help/support) since it is way quicker to chat that way…
#88

Maybe one could estabish a multisig account to make safety deposits before participating in the loop? Haven't thought this really through though, just throwing thoughts around.

#89

im joining in:
NCUIS2-GD66P7-MDXNRJ-PUVFPU-NQYGLR-7YDRPL-3NOP

should i just send some to one of the trusted accounts on the list?

EDIT:
sent some to NBWZI6-6YYHX7-SDEM7Y-ARPUQL-MIKN3G-XEA36X-CQG2

#90

Hi all,

I may be a bit slow returning any funds until the weekend. But will be up for doing some larger transfers next week.

Go NEM!!!

#91

Lets start spreading it around to get the importance up

NDB44P-C3EXPR-MINBZJ-SY7IUC-AFLJE2-Q3ZE7V-DYOK

I'll send back at least = to what is sent to me.  I recommend everyone do the same


Still waiting for the return. :)

9fb24496598a680d7b98b640098350a922421a8862123cd7c5a91c12c3e92443
#92

NDTRWR-ZRST2S-QGP4XL-D7XLZY-JBXGLW-JGGONG-J4ZJ erhan
NBYOKP-4LSLQX-RJ7H3P-QXGFTT-TB66HM-MDUU5D-4TO7 firefighter waiting +15000
NAPEKY-2RHV2D-GOYRSY-OOFARQ-IOS4EW-4I3XSM-KKOH new try1
NCUIS2-GD66P7-MDXNRJ-PUVFPU-NQYGLR-7YDRPL-3NOP new try5
NA7O7O-X63RAI-XFT3MH-UWLU3D-SNXLBT-OFNDZG-HW6E sky H
NBIHTV-2VI6H4-C3Q4MC-45LEIX-SHUABL-THNGB5-RMH4 spread xem VH +10000 sedimer
NBGJF6-HPBQ3D-ETGXYL-S73YRK-IGM7R7-TNS643-YNMD spread xem1
NBL457-JOOJ6M-WMUUIU-2HTIAJ-Z32YNE-FOQX5A-QO6O spread xem10
NAN26N-3JB6AP-Y46PTF-3B6FI5-N7SYK7-NVBWTJ-III5 spread xem2
NBBYPT-NH3DVI-IGNT4U-FF656D-G22JEM-AWORTY-CZU6 spread xem3 +1000
NDSB42-CNFKB7-PN4F7S-XQP6YH-7V7RDR-H4KQYJ-JBGN spread xem4
NCO52B-YGNK7E-6KFFLC-USQGWU-2YMLR7-T6CO35-GJ54 spread xem5
NAUNFP-EJEBGG-IEGAQP-CWTYP2-NOOGP5-VDU4T4-7ZGB spread xem6
NC5QXZ-INO3GM-DATUGA-DAORET-QXI4IE-ZLWKWS-DHOD spread xem8
NBWZI6-6YYHX7-SDEM7Y-ARPUQL-MIKN3G-XEA36X-CQG2 trusted for big amounts-1
NCXDY2-6BJQ3P-5EYWTJ-CW27AU-ZKT5WY-PXSF7P-WKXD trusted for big amounts-2
NB3T23-B5KQ5K-Z65TPL-LPYF2B-WWPWLQ-7SLGPK-6VWC trusted for big amounts-3
NBEUAX-WJJ2RN-3GXC3N-HCUMWU-GHJOBF-O6IDZH-QJZL trusted for big amounts-4
NB67JQ-UGXMEQ-VKJV5Z-UOPQXH-KDU3JT-6YUQ5S-QJEK waiting +1000 xem
NAIENN-4TFSZG-V6IYB4-PNYZ3T-Z4UGZL-C6RGFF-CXSB waiting +1000 xem1
NDB44P-C3EXPR-MINBZJ-SY7IUC-AFLJE2-Q3ZE7V-DYOK bonz waiting +10100 xem
ND6ETC-BGYCT4-HZV6AA-BZMC5T-SSKKL6-3SCGYH-IB7V waiting+1600 xem
NAWXFD-X3OOYR-CP3ONS-AMW75I-RIBKVG-WKLJ32-LULF mywallet

update on my list.

1 account has been removed.
and
NBEUAX-WJJ2RN-3GXC3N-HCUMWU-GHJOBF-O6IDZH-QJZL  trusted for big amounts-4

i ll confirm that Tompa is a trusted partner :wink:

details:

Apr 09, 2015 11:01:15 trusted for big amounts-4 Spread XEM! Return of 10k + bigger 100K. Sorry for delay :frowning: + 110 000.00

Apr 09, 2015 16:48:52 trusted for big amounts-4 Return back. i ll update my list,you will be on trusted partners for big amounts :slight_smile: - 100 000.00

#93

i ll confirm that Tompa is a trusted partner ;)

details:

Apr 09, 2015 11:01:15 trusted for big amounts-4 Spread XEM! Return of 10k + bigger 100K. Sorry for delay :-( + 110 000.00

Apr 09, 2015 16:48:52 trusted for big amounts-4 Return back. i ll update my list,you will be on trusted partners for big amounts :) - 100 000.00


Thanks! Received! :-)

How about that Telegram.org group guys?
How about trying out multisig?
#94


i ll confirm that Tompa is a trusted partner ;)

details:

Apr 09, 2015 11:01:15 trusted for big amounts-4 Spread XEM! Return of 10k + bigger 100K. Sorry for delay :-( + 110 000.00

Apr 09, 2015 16:48:52 trusted for big amounts-4 Return back. i ll update my list,you will be on trusted partners for big amounts :) - 100 000.00


Thanks! Received! :-)

How about that Telegram.org group guys?
How about trying out multisig?


can you add me? (telegram)

search as "asey10"
#95

[center]Guys - great idea and fun - but please STOP sending to me for now thanks.

NA7O7O-X63RAI-XFT3MH-UWLU3D-SNXLBT-OFNDZG-HW6E

I'm short on time doing other stuff - will come back here when rdy again :)[/center]

#96

here is my waiting list:

NBBYPT-NH3DVI-IGNT4U-FF656D-G22JEM-AWORTY-CZU6                             +1000
NB67JQ-UGXMEQ-VKJV5Z-UOPQXH-KDU3JT-6YUQ5S-QJEK                                    +1000
NAIENN-4TFSZG-V6IYB4-PNYZ3T-Z4UGZL-C6RGFF-CXSB                                     +1000
NDB44P-C3EXPR-MINBZJ-SY7IUC-AFLJE2-Q3ZE7V-DYOK  bonz                    +10100
ND6ETC-BGYCT4-HZV6AA-BZMC5T-SSKKL6-3SCGYH-IB7V                             +1600

#97

Wee need to be very careful because someone not morally strong could easily get into the loop with few smaller rounds and then when trust is earned start to receive bigger amounts (100K) and then when he/she gets 500K from several of us - just vanish...

For coordination - we could all be in one Telegram group. That way we can easily notify entire group on the status of the round/loop.
PM with Telegram usernames if you are not already in some NEM group there... And if you are, you already have my T username and just contact me :-)

I have another proposition - why wouldn't we practice creation and use of multisig (on separate, newly created accounts)?
I should probably create a new thread just for that (and I think I will if there is interest shown here) and we can also use Telegram for that as well (especially for initial starting help/support) since it is way quicker to chat that way...


Yeah we have to be really carefull. As longer this thread lasts as more likely a scammer will f**k our as*.
BTW I don't like the Idea of an extra app (Do even know telegram) to communicate.

So I won't really do anymore spreading to new people since my intention was not raising Importance. I just wanted to know if Importance is raising and I wanted to gain experience which Account I could trust for what degree.

Anyway I'm still interested in experimenting, so I would really design a spreading net (Net of Cycles/Loops). Where we all can have some fun.

Before spreading should happen we should select a Risk Model.
Who will compensate the loose if a scammer takes a way money.

Own Responsible Model
Everybody selects his next partner by his own trust level and if he's wrong, he have to compensate the loose.
We can make cycles and loops which can be choosen from each individually.

For Example. Tompa send me 100k and I send 50k to johndoe and 50k to scamdoe and johndoe sends 25k to sedminer and 25k scammatic. We have lost 75k in total. I would pay Tompa 50k and johndoe pays Tompa 25k.

Shared Risk
If some sends to a preselected Account and this Accounts doesn't send back. The lose is shared between all spreader in cycle. 
We define presets of sending.

For Example. Tompa send me 100k and I send 50k to johndoe and 50k to scamdoe and johndoe sends 25k to sedminer and 25k scammatic and all should have send back to Tompa.  We have lost 75k in total. 18.75k each for Tompa, me, johndoe and sedminer. So the last three send Tompa each 18.75k back.

Shared Risk Model opens new scam vectors too.


We could reduce probability and impact by using Multisig Accounts but we should be aware the on some day we will loose money.


So hopefully my post helps even if it shows some negativ aspects.

Update: We don't have to select one Risk model. But we should select the risk model between spreaders who spread to them self. Cause then the gaming rule are set in front of incident and we don't have to get emotionally on this issue

FireF
#98

here is my waiting list:
NBYOKP-4LSLQX-RJ7H3P-QXGFTT-TB66HM-MDUU5D-4TO7 firefighter waiting +15000


You have to wait minimum 24h as I stated on this thread, regulary. Since I'll will send money back after ca 24h and just at about 7 o'clock (UTC -> GMT)

But if you need money back faster. I'll send you tonight.
All others who send me much money today (Guess Tompa sends me 100K) should just tell me here or via PM so I would also send back tonight otherwise you will get it back tomorrow evening.



#99

Hello,

just one more negativ post :slight_smile:

How would I betray you. I would start sending you 10k and afterwards highervolumes even 500k. Would have a high balance also. And then if you trust me and all send me 100K upto 500k or even 1M I would tell something like I'm currently on vacation and don't have access to wallet.
And promise you to compansate your waiting time. And then deaster happens, I've forgotten my wallet password in vacation but try to send back. And then I'm away.

So trust here should be always be monitored otherwise you've got scammed. Like mladen00 scammed me with just 512 xem (Since he had high balance, I risk to send him).

So beware that you will loose XEM someday. But you will find people here that are really trustworthy.

As I told my boss a few years ago. He can trust me up 4,000,000.00 Euro after I've access to such money I'm away.
For about 20 years I had access to much money 50,000 Euro a day (100,000 Deutsche Mark) cash and that was really fun to have such a responsibility.

FireF

Update: Solution is, that we all knew (talk) about waiting spread backs, so we know for sure anybody has access to highamount.

#100

guys we have a group on telegram.

if you want to join us, just pm to tompa :slight_smile: